the author says:
fuck this
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making a blog
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http://academicpolemic.blogspot.com/
old man. says:
nice
old man. says:
im digging it...
old man. says:
ill frequent it...and make comments on my realm of knowledge
the author says:
sick
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i'll try to post from what i'm working on...but bring in other insights
old man. says:
pure science?
old man. says:
im not sure what that is... whats wrong with polemics?
old man. says:
i guess polemics are speculative
old man. says:
?
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pure science, just like, experiments
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musing on science for the sake of science
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when i think polemics, i think, firery
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highly critical
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combative
old man. says:
yes same here
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but what is wrong with that?
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it's just hardly ever done in academics!
old man. says:
i guess so...
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haha
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you're totally deflating me
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i'm thinkinng about it as anti-science, but also informed by science
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like, if we take (climate) science to it's logical conclusion, we have to be polemical
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we need to be critical of pretty much everything going on
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and bring that into our academic work
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it can't just float around on top of everything else
old man. says:
no sorry...my prof just sent me an email...telling me what i needed for a deadline...where upon they decide whether they will let you finish or not...and im shitting myself cuz im not close to any of the requirements
the author says:
oh shit
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OK, git 'er done
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i'm posting this conversation on the blog
old man. says:
but no i just gotta forget about it...we can have this discussion
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haha
old man. says:
so you're saying that polemical works are normally disregarded?
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not necessarily
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just that they're rare
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most people that operate within science don't try to connect it to anything in their lives
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i mean, it's hard, in a lot of disciplines, but that's a problem with Science in general
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within my discipline(s) i _can_ connect it, and if i do, i see the need to be iconoclastic, everywhere
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with respect to growth, consumption, capitalism, politics
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etc
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and the fact is that not a lot of people (although some, for sure) are getting into it enough, connecting the things that they're doing with what's actually happening
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taking it to its logical endpoint, and writing things that are highly critical and questioning
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so i just realized that this morning
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when looking at this other blog
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and how immersed in science it was
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and how it sorta misses on other points -- and has no connection with other aspects of society?
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right.
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but ostensibly some of the smartest people in the world are working on sciencey things
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and wouldn't it be great if we could get them thinking about these issues?
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or things that could actually improve lives.
old man. says:
well i think there are multiple think tanks which contain a large cross-section of different disciplines -- but ya... i think you're right in academia it is rare
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i don't think there's anything wrong with monodisciplinary pursuits
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except when they're totally for their own sake
old man. says:
well ya... so how do you plan on approaching the next step in your blog?
old man. says:
will you be raising certain issues to be discussed?
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i think that i'll try to discuss specific things that i'm working on
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and how they relate to the other issues that i'd like to discuss
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but sure, raising specific issues for discussion unrelated to my work
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but related to Science or Academics would also work
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i think i should start out trying to post like twice a week
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and go from there
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that's a good amount of writing
old man. says:
ya ya for sure...
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i mean do all arguments have to be well formulated?
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no , of course not
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but everything should be iconoclastic in some way
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questioning, incisive
old man. says:
oh ok...iconoclasm as a concept
old man. says:
im thinking about a different iconoclasm
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how do you understand it?
old man. says:
iconoclasm...as i understood occured within fine art where medieval art communicated bliblical stories and ideas with symbols (objects) within the scenery
old man. says:
then the iconoclast ruptured the meaning from object...
old man. says:
so its basically the same thing
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right
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i understand it as basically tearing down icons
old man. says:
ya but i thought u were refering to particular icons of science...which...i dont know of
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where 'icons' are pervasive cultural mental models
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about markets, eating, science, consumption, etc
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etc
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anything
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everything.
old man. says:
dude im totally down with that
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sick.
old man. says:
against method... totally pwns
old man. says:
you should read it
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yeah, i had it signed out last year
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but never did
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i will make another effort this quarter
old man. says:
i love it...i dont understand the sciencey stuff...but that arguments humilitating logic with...logic is awesome. and gives a lot of fragility to deduction and science ingeneral